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Conversation with Dr. Tammy Jacobowitz

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welcome dr. jacobo a tremendous pleasure to have you here with us for Shabbat and have you and your family as well I'm having opportunity to study with two groups of a high school students and they were teaching them what you were doing with that high energy and gave a very what I wanted to talk about something that was timely to the Parsha but I also really wanted to highlight for them that both the Torah and the need rash I told her I need to bring bag Stand By and be trashed have a lot to offer them individually and I really tried to you know Taylor to laugh and maybe more than I would have been normal. They only had them for short time but door is being able to recognize that you smash through between Lance is really something in there a book to the method and the cons and they asked him a question that they saw how did he come to be around that way the engineer mine if you want we looked at the food clue that we had in the text for why I said chooses him I really coming up shorty realizing that we don't have enough we looked at two different congestion that offer very different what it means forever have and I wanted to unsteady stabilizer notion that there really is one on one story and I wanted them to see two different me that she knew that while they don't konflict contradict each other they're really did I mean I wanted them to call themselves back a little bit and say welcome by myself in there is this a story that is really trying to find a truth that might not be and I can see in their eyes you would have time to do that's interesting I'm blessed to spend a lot of time teaching teaching teenagers on his way here at though how I feel and yet does the focus tends to be on what station is the question of relevance the question of how does the teenager locate him or herself in this evening we are team packs in Arcane on multiple levels and the language that comes in and so on and so forth. Gaurang me I just want to look at themselves with I've been different kind of I think it's interesting because of so many of our schools can I rent an apt or kind of pair the motor seems to have the bigger set of obstacles and Tanakh sometimes and then have the refugees not much easier much more accessible has a fat kind of counterpart you know that's just by Design on my Cricut I do think so that one of the advantages or opportunities if you will be having some is that it is easier even if they are me we work really hard at school done deal there's a level of familiarity in Access at the reception weather what are the things that I say on the one hand identify features of a the same time help them today negotiating The Divided We don't want right now I see no located at the missionaries your text that is really far away from my life and grow alienated from it they want them to be empowered to that are available at the same time will I really care about that they will fall in love with the fat off and make it a part of their lives when they graduate and that doesn't happen I'm kind of a how many educators recently are the one-handed sexual stones in sexual flu and seeing that my driver curricula and a certain direction and then making meaning out of it as soon as we talked about constructivism sometimes I different sets of gold by we have for a student until you find yourself you're struggling all the time I mean I really don't see it I'm for lesbian students especially when were we very heavily kind of struggle time and figuring out what's really do we really care that we really care so I don't think I tried as best as I can to respond to her knees sometimes I could be even in a class. I hadn't anticipated that there in grammar what have you and so but I also really just try to keep my eye on you know the Longview and every year of kung fu yeah I was just on Sunday I was confident that you should be Universe to and we were talking about about some of the challenges of traditional curriculum more Progressive than educational approach has been also this thing came off which is that in general for students oh when you graduate are school after 4 years than your life is going to look in a particular way and that's true as a student of her particular discipline Orthodox high school start again ultimately will it professionally if they can end up certainly many different places in the reason that's obvious trajectory where to find space and roll that I've been prescribed for a few minutes let you know I've been feeling more and more like I said my kids ghetto I mean that you kind of have to have your eyes open that kids are going to make different variety value the different down it will look different by design your kids end up in a living in the same kind of way with the same balance enjoy this almost there was an accident and that sounds and I really hope that was in those Verizon I just described everybody will have a love of Torah in that in their bag in their toolkit it will look different for each kid and I I really want my students to realize that there's not one way of coming to that love or enhancing that love and that's sometimes no maybe if you can borrow my head might have more opportunities especially as I get older I really like to expose the students to lots of the will have me the Tanakh relevant it made you feel so that he doesn't have to walk away and say oh it's just a sore throat the only way that's not can be I really enjoy that. Only if you're involved in the school life but he pitches well I'm not trying to get real Dracula little bit of teaching around by one of my clients but I don't have a front door Focus Jewish philosophy course that I teach per se but I am very curious to hear in a little bit more you know teachers people no it never does because you know there was very little so the people who are sitting in front of me and I felt very much faces breastfeeding faces make I need to be thinking ahead before the I feel every year incredible will go through show you know some kids when they enter the 11th grade wondering about tell a fake life and David doing your own reading their own some kids walk in and really have not been thinking about it and frankly don't want and it'll walking to say faster my job is a teacher is to first of all make them feel like they're part of a long conversation to have questions about Judaism to wonder about things you're in good company need to Proclaim in a way that that feels almost too much for them they walk out of class and hopefully they feel okay I'm also struggling the most important contribution of his classmates to the kids lives is addition to be open to questions and learning to sit with ambiguity and not feeling like I answered that they can so tell me a little before I mean kids especially at that age they're just ignorant feeling strongly they are finding your voice to be able to say it with clay wonderful but another Golem learning but actually a symbol consider so in the class you know we study excerpt from different tax on four different topics major topics free-will theodicy you know console past. If we're not. Perceptions but if the kid will offer can I read my hand I laugh do you want to challenge something he said and even just taking that minute before you speak to figuring out what it is that you're about to say of the other students gives the fur how to get ready and then I said that I a lot of time choreography that's very deliberate under the water and the condition when we read it you know our students have highly developed critical thinking skills which were very proud of but as soon as they read a text they're already narrowing in on okay what doesn't work here was problematic I can find it just proof and I really everyday I think first round of questions just clarifying questions then when we're done everybody knows what the words mean and how they fit together then I stay next round appreciative questions what is good enough and the only Mitchell has had to go cuz they already took some time and then say okay and it's not about I love you exactly how can what attacks has to offer before I come in at I think for the students also it's about building I'm at that you know you can overdo it I'm saying what's the problem and rashy sorry Lego it's not about Define tell the whole year they got fat and I see when I come when they've been in that kind of environment our discussions meaningful in the sky and it's not doing anything as you're speaking in describing the different modes and asking questions so we can say we recently doing work work with our faculty around the gemara teaching we rehearsing bowling ball different types Stevens question that I wonder if also there's not for tuning a guitar for him right 904 sounds based on what we see in the Tom Wood itself and then another resignar his tell if it's giving you some info since this is the kind of query statement whatever it might be that's coming up at 11 what kind of argument is made in Oakland that way you can I have another class the kind of hep C study and how we study that inform with the way the students talk to each other and interact with each other and so I had my dream would be that that's not classroom gives them in studying the text will transform them into how do we how do we make that last from space be about you going around talking about educator and high school educator the book is all about exactly how about her own experience studying. Kill me alongside some of those good very real my name as a person and teaching us the big grapple differently about what it looks like quite the fascinating Rhythm Brenda play neon sign corsiva but that's in the world with so many ways to make you know and that's that's my dream for my students are there adults are students so how do you do that using your credit reading about psychology how do you keep that appreciative informed there's just a ton if you thought that the Times of Israel blog that the Texans just high school student right there was right it was challenging some hard questions around exactly and some of the challenges that that I can go along with that addition transition other cuz one of the things I did just now that we have the opportunity to be indebted and high school environment in a larger D School environment and the same time to be focusing her energy grand opening opening that culture up and sharing it with the wider groovy adult community so just be curious me a little bit more about what you're working on it now you just explain to them earlier the temp right now is essentially a way of investing in the teachers in the school and now go green alumni and eventually parents to be part of a deep conversation about education about the issues that are so the program back beginning of this here is really investing in the parent Community which we haven't yet tax return and it's doing upper tunity for parents to come together in an immersive environment really committing May Roshe 2 to learning how to be in a cohort number in cow but benefiting from being in the cold word and the learning is really for them you know this took a while to really explain what this means Target and their life for their necks for them which from my experience as an adult you know I keep telling you that last year and fought for Mexican heritage and silly and I why does my and that was a very nice place for me to be after getting it skills that I have discovered in learning that will help and I think we run the air sometime assuming that adults want to learn to speak so doesn't matter you know what the text is as long as the Texas Dove she orders Illuminating everybody will be here asking myself before I came into why should this be I think that they are endlessly fascinating and is a framing pedagogical move for my class skating backpack I really felt like the learning with much warranty you know the school there has to be a takeaway Anunnaki for the classes will be about 3 hours which sound so long but I'm really excited for parents had a chance to myself to really learn from each other diverse life experiences and ideas about nothing torrent today I'm in a very kind of been breached and there's an article published in volume and so most of contributors of The View wrote about what it mean to have a literal sense you are engaging with Heavenly matters and what you meant by that is that she had spent a tremendous amount of time and I've given a lot of consideration to what it means each adult and kid experience also be desire for Relevant for teething whatever professional area in some instances might have very limited background knowledge that recognize back and then build upon that one of the things that we see at high school teachers being in a classroom but might not be as evidence from the outside is that every single kid in the class is up for world how many more years an adult education I like it didn't it just feels like almost an impossible job but it worked and I have some same thing with adults I mean adults tend to We tend to announce ourselves and different ways you know our background we talked about them and arguably but I really feel like once adults to disagree the ones who builds are are feel respected and feel like something good is going to happen here and there lots of way to get some of that at least I try to signal that I think that some of those differences really. credibly you know it set a timer which is the relationship between the adults parents your don't on our many are and I'm just curious how do we what wisdom tooth at the Sharon Springs. intentionally construct curricula for adult Learners that are meaningful for them and then in turn can help the people their role as parents and then the school experience in general the school community Heritage You Know What You Did in this class we were studying in 6 weeks on the Bible for our classes and I made choices based on text why are really balancing the kind of bino greatest hits I'm with questions that parents people were dealing with in their own very very this is a group of people that share to know all of the Philadelphia Outlaws accomplished people who are contributing to the Jewish Community but they didn't have a shared framework with which to take those idea that bubbled my poop is at that they are all the parents who will be sitting in that room and so any ideas or questions or concerns that will come up through their very personal learning will then having over dinner and I'm really convinced that the organic contributions back-to-school will happen with with very little framing even in a in a programmatic sense I think it's based on relationships relationships find but I will report how do you say that's great I look forward to hearing a wonderful report and they will have to do another interview so that we can read together that I can learn from your experiences thank you so much for your thoughtfulness thank you for looking for

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